tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post8699005637219971818..comments2023-10-22T09:35:52.252-04:00Comments on FestungArnulfinger: What does Judie Brown want?The Dutchmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15634052176803455348noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-8542876343621433182008-10-23T12:12:00.000-04:302008-10-23T12:12:00.000-04:30Dutch, I notice that you like to compromise on thi...Dutch, I notice that you like to compromise on this issue - and convince others to do the same. <BR/><BR/>The battle over life is the most fundamental human rights battle that we have ever faced as a people. Yet, you call those who are standing up and fighting the good fight "extremists." You have defend voting for the most extreme pro-abortion presidential candidate ever put forward. You suggest supporting a law that includes the notorious "health of the mother" exception is good enough. No one could accuse you of being an extremist on the right to life. Perhaps lukewarm?<BR/><BR/>Christ was seen as an extremist. Many of the saints, particularly the martyrs, were seen as extremists. They refused to compromise the truth, the values at their core. Yet you are willing to compromise for political expediency.<BR/><BR/>My friend, your political stance on abortion is flat out wrong. Whenever I cling to something wrong (as I once did on this very issue), it was because of my own sin and my wanting to be god. What are you clinging to that lets you make this compromise? Whatever it is, I pray you can let it go. You may not recognize it, but you are doing the work of the wrong side on this.RobKPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220380405943891911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-45493498204690194652008-10-15T14:49:00.000-04:302008-10-15T14:49:00.000-04:30JVH:You are not addressing my analogy at all! Jud...JVH:<BR/><BR/>You are not addressing my analogy at all! Judie Brown is, in essence, saying that the firemen should save NONE of the babies, because they can't save ALL of them. Whereas, I favor saving AS MANY AS WE CAN rather than letting the ones we could save die over a matter of abstract principle and stubborn pride.<BR/><BR/>The the Partial Birth Abortion is ineffective BECAUSE the Republicans want it to be! They want this issue to remain in play so that working class pro-life voters will vote against abortion instead of for the Democrats who represent their class interests.<BR/><BR/>Read the polls — a ban on second and third trimester abortion is about all we can hope for in the present cultural climate.<BR/><BR/>John —<BR/><BR/>Always good to talk to you! I'll be at Saint Johns for the nine o'clock this Sunday, and then hanging around in the cafe until Bean-Girl's catechism lets out at eleven.<BR/><BR/>— DutchThe Dutchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15634052176803455348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-20805270430992351782008-10-15T13:14:00.000-04:302008-10-15T13:14:00.000-04:30Dutch—I haven't the time now, but remind me th...Dutch—<BR/><BR/>I haven't the time now, but remind me the next time we see each other to talk about the various issues you raise here.John Jansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241558776415884637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-39193030383465847442008-10-15T12:08:00.000-04:302008-10-15T12:08:00.000-04:30You save them all. You don't start saving them wi...You save them all. You don't start saving them with preconditions as to which ones aren't worth saving.<BR/><BR/>Your analogy is excellent. The orphanage has saved 98% of all the babies in the building, and the firefighters are watching it burn knowing that 2% are still inside -- even though they could very well save those babies. <BR/><BR/>And why does it have to be 2%? Why not 5%? 30%? Look at how ineffective the Partial Birth Abortion ban is today and how we're debating over "live fetal births".<BR/><BR/>Exceptions don't save lives. They cost lives, and are used to justify what otherwise would be permitted by abortion-on-demand.<BR/><BR/>How is that a victory? <BR/><BR/>JVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-69173564644221061602008-10-14T20:51:00.000-04:302008-10-14T20:51:00.000-04:30Hi Judie!A response from the woman herself in only...Hi Judie!<BR/><BR/>A response from the woman herself in only two hours and thirty-three minutes — Wow! I am honored.<BR/><BR/>May I offer an analogy here? (Jesus taught by analogy you know...)<BR/><BR/>S'posing you were going by an orphantage or hospital or something where there were dozens of babies, and it was on fire. By your logic, we shouldn't bother trying to save any of the babies inside unless we are able to save them all.<BR/><BR/>Or have I missed something?<BR/><BR/>Yours For A Better World — DutchThe Dutchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15634052176803455348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-6394915238753933842008-10-14T20:08:00.000-04:302008-10-14T20:08:00.000-04:30Well, we have already seen where the All-or-Nothin...Well, we have already seen where the All-or-Nothing approach has gotten us... nowhere!solarpowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02974321926426768382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264704735787512931.post-3332108571239548192008-10-14T19:54:00.000-04:302008-10-14T19:54:00.000-04:30What Judie Brown actually wants, sir, is to see th...What Judie Brown actually wants, sir, is to see the preborn child treated as a human being in every single case, and because this is so she will not support measures that dismiss some of those children for various reasons as delineated in the language of Measure 11.<BR/><BR/>Winning should not occur at the expense of preborn baby's lives.<BR/><BR/>Judie BrownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com